02:57:14 Malcolm Finn: Hello everyone I am joining as seemed very relevant and saw on a LinkedIn post (Tavistock) 02:57:17 David Clements: Hello from near Bath UK - Org Design/HR Transformation lead ... drawn to event by your great event marketing! 02:57:42 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "Hello Resul. Thank..." with ❀️ 02:57:45 Hanna Kinowska: Hello everyone, Hanna Kinowska from Warsaw, Poland, SGH Warsaw School of Economics. My academic and professional background is in HRM and organizational studies. What drew me to this session is the question of how people and organizations can work with robots and AI in a way that is human-centred. 02:57:51 Ashok Jambur: Hi I am Ashok from Delhi, India 02:57:52 Wilts Alexander: Wilts Alexander from Orlando, Florida. STS member, Org Design and AI Strategies 02:57:53 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "Marcia Murphy, cal..." with πŸ‘‹ 02:57:59 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "Marcia Murphy, cal..." with ❀️ 02:58:01 Malcolm Finn: I am currently on holiday in Indian Ocean 02:58:05 ken Nishikawa: Hello, Ken from Kobe, Japan. It's nice to meet you. 02:58:11 Ashok Jambur: I was a practitoner and now teach OD 02:58:18 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "Hello everyone I a..." with πŸ‘ 02:58:22 Frank: Frank from Nijmegen, The Netherlands, Strategic Advisor HR 02:58:23 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "Hello from near Ba..." with πŸ‘ 02:58:35 Solveig Beyza Narli Evenstad: Hello from NTNU, Norway, Associate Professor, working with technology adoption, STS, health technologies, etc 02:58:39 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "Hello everyone, Ha..." with πŸ‘ 02:58:42 David Sibley: David Sibley, Bath/London UK- Organisational Consultant in system psychodynamic tradition. 02:59:01 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "Hi I am Ashok from..." with πŸ‘‹ 02:59:05 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "Wilts Alexander fr..." with ❀️ 02:59:11 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "I am currently on ..." with πŸ‘‹ 02:59:25 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "Hello, Ken from Ko..." with ❀️ 02:59:26 Shan Pretheshan: Shan Pretheshan from London - I am an OD & SWP consultant. 02:59:32 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "I was a practitone..." with πŸ‘ 02:59:42 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "Frank from Nijmege..." with πŸ‘ 02:59:44 Ruth Overton: Also saw this on the Tavistock LinkedIn post - I'm an OD consultant trained in the tavistock tradition - feel discussions about this topic at this time is one I want to be part of 02:59:49 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "Hello from NTNU, N..." with ❀️ 02:59:52 Steven Alter: Steve Alter, Prof. Emeritus, Univ. of 02:59:54 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "David Sibley, Bath..." with πŸ‘ 02:59:55 Susan Donnan: Hello from HOT Toulouse France! 02:59:55 Linda: Linda form APeldoorn (NL) - manager service & organisation - cooperation care farms 03:00:04 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "Shan Pretheshan fr..." with ❀️ 03:00:12 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "Also saw this on t..." with πŸ‘ 03:00:16 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "Steve Alter, Prof...." with ❀️ 03:00:18 Francis Irving: I’m Francis in London. I’m a software engineer working at a tiny startup that does AI for software development teams, and have been working with companies the last 2 years on that. Drawn to this as the social elements are critical, but Silicon Valley isn’t really considering them, and it is causing lots of pain in software industry. 03:00:22 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "Hello from HOT Tou..." with ❀️ 03:00:31 Helen Hughes: Reacted to "I’m Francis in Londo..." with πŸ‘ 03:00:36 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "Linda form APeldoo..." with πŸ‘ 03:00:39 petersorenson: Pete Sorenson … learning about our AI world! Co-Author of β€œAI for the Ordinary” North Texas USA 03:00:43 Joe: Joe Norton - Atlanta, GA - Sr. Manager. Organization Design EFESO Management Consultants -- Interested in the dynamics robots bring to teams. 03:00:45 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "I’m Francis in Lo..." with πŸ‘ 03:00:53 Lucy McGrath: Hi I'm Lucy McGrath, based in London. I'm a lawyer and consultant specializing in digital, privacy and AI law supporting organisations apply laws in their processes and systems. In recent years I've been building my expertise applying socio-technical / system-psych concepts in all of my work. (also currently on UVic's Meta-relational AI course - strong recommend) 03:01:18 Helen Hughes: Helen Hughes, Organisational Psychologist at University of Leeds 03:01:25 Lubna Mohammed Kutty: Lubna from Riyadh - here exploring STS lens on my PhD @nyenrode 03:01:26 Carly Riehle: Replying to "Pete Sorenson … l..." Pete! Your book was delivered by Amazon yesterday. It's wonderful! 03:01:38 Shan Pretheshan: Reacted to "Hi I'm Lucy McGrath,..." with πŸ‘ 03:01:42 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "Joe Norton - Atlan..." with ❀️ 03:01:49 David Sibley: Reacted to "Hi I'm Lucy McGrath,..." with πŸ‘ 03:01:57 petersorenson: Replying to "Pete Sorenson … lear..." Hooray!! Delivery works!! 03:02:17 Steven Alter: Trying again. Steve Alter, Prof. Emeritus, Univ. of San Francisco. I continue developing what I call "the work system perspective", which is an extension of work system theory that I tried to articulate 13 years ago. 03:02:35 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "Lubna from Riyadh ..." with ❀️ 03:02:38 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "Helen Hughes, Orga..." with πŸ‘ 03:02:42 petersorenson: Replying to "Pete Sorenson … lear..." I seek honest feedback and suggestions on the book! 03:02:44 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "Trying again. Ste..." with πŸ‘ 03:02:48 petersorenson: Reacted to "Trying again. Steve..." with πŸ‘ 03:02:49 Marcia Murphy: Reacted to "Lubna from Riyadh - ..." with ❀️ 03:02:53 Saket B: Reacted to Lubna from Riyadh - ... with "❀️" 03:02:57 Saket B: Reacted to Hi I'm Lucy McGrath,... with "πŸ‘" 03:02:58 Saket B: Reacted to Helen Hughes, Organi... with "πŸ‘" 03:04:00 Helen Hughes: Reacted to "Pete Sorenson … lear..." with ❀️ 03:04:49 Lucy McGrath: Reacted to "I’m Francis in London. I’m a software engineer working at a tiny startup that does AI for software development teams, and have been working with companies the last 2 years on that. Drawn to this as the social elements are critical, but Silicon Valley isn’t really considering them, and it is causing lots of pain in software industry." with πŸ‘ 03:04:53 Lucy McGrath: Reacted to "David Sibley, Bath/London UK- Organisational Consultant in system psychodynamic tradition." with πŸ‘ 03:06:45 stewartk: Hello Everyone I am a information security Professor and interesting in understand and even predicting what types of crimes will occur in these socio-technical systems with care robots and how we can monitor and prevent these crimes. 03:07:25 Helen Hughes: Wow! Some really interesting roles and perspectives! :-) 03:07:41 Linda: Reacted to "Hello Everyone I am a information security Professor and interesting in understand and even predicting what types of crimes will occur in these socio-technical systems with care robots and how we can monitor and prevent these crimes." with πŸ‘Œ 03:08:16 petersorenson: Replying to "Pete Sorenson … lear..." 20% Discount from Taylor & Francis Publishers - Academics can get a review copy. [Full message cannot be displayed on this version] 03:08:29 petersorenson: Reacted to "Hello Everyone I am ..." with πŸ‘πŸΌ 03:08:33 petersorenson: Reacted to "Trying again. Steve..." with πŸ‘πŸΌ 03:08:41 petersorenson: Reacted to "Pete! Your book was ..." with πŸ‘πŸΌ 03:09:06 petersorenson: Reacted to "Hi I'm Lucy McGrath,..." with πŸ‘πŸΌ 03:09:13 petersorenson: Reacted to "Helen Hughes, Organi..." with πŸ‘πŸΌ 03:09:19 petersorenson: Reacted to "Lubna from Riyadh - ..." with πŸ‘πŸΌ 03:09:55 Valentina Moldovan - STS Roundtable: Sending a short version of the STS Principles Shankar will present to use as a quick guide 03:09:56 Michael Lindsay: Hello Everyone. I am a clinical and consulting psychologist with Tavistock training and, more generally, a systems psychodynamic approach 03:10:18 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "Hello Everyone. I ..." with πŸ‘ 03:10:27 Valentina Moldovan - STS Roundtable: Reacted to "Hello Everyone. I ..." with πŸ‘ 03:10:30 Alessandro Dolci (Rome - Italy): πŸ‘‹πŸ» 03:10:35 Alessandro Dolci (Rome - Italy): Reacted to "STS_Principles_handout_SHORT.pdf" with πŸ™πŸ» 03:10:38 Valentina Moldovan - STS Roundtable: Reacted to "πŸ‘‹πŸ»" with πŸ‘Œ 03:10:55 Frank: Heeft gereageerd op "STS_Principles_han..." met πŸ‘ 03:11:10 Aurelia Roman: Reacted to "Sending a short vers..." with πŸ‘ 03:11:29 Sarah Fraser: I’m sorry, I’m going to have to drop out due to childcare. I would be interested in being able to see any outputs from the session. Apologies. 03:11:36 Ale SΓ‘nchez 94.198.963: Hey y’all! I’m Ale, solutions engineering at a digital consulting firm based in Dallas 03:11:38 Valentina Moldovan - STS Roundtable: Reacted to "I’m sorry, I’m g..." with πŸ‘ 03:11:46 Valentina Moldovan - STS Roundtable: Reacted to "Hey y’all! I’m A..." with β˜€οΈ 03:11:53 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "Hey y’all! I’m A..." with ❀️ 03:12:02 Solveig Beyza Narli Evenstad: Reacted to "Pete Sorenson … lear..." with ❀️ 03:12:02 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "I’m sorry, I’m g..." with ❀️ 03:12:08 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "πŸ‘‹πŸ»" with πŸ‘Œ 03:12:27 Solveig Beyza Narli Evenstad: Reacted to "Hello Everyone I am ..." with πŸ‘ 03:12:33 MΓ³nica Velarde Lazarte: Monica Velarde. I am a socioanalyst and psychologist based in Beaconsfield and founder of the Territory, a video platform for the study of STS. I am also a partner and trustee of TIHR. I will unfortunately need to leave early due childcare changes linked to the weather, but I look fwd to joining future events. 03:12:39 Jacob Styburski: Reacted to "I’m sorry, I’m going..." with ❀️ 03:12:51 Joe: Reacted to "Monica Velarde. I am..." with πŸ‘πŸ» 03:12:52 Linda: Reacted to "Monica Velarde. I am a socioanalyst and psychologist based in Beaconsfield and founder of the Territory, a video platform for the study of STS. I am also a partner and trustee of TIHR. I will unfortunately need to leave early due childcare changes linked to the weather, but I look fwd to joining future events." with 🌻 03:13:02 Shan Pretheshan: Reacted to "Monica Velarde. I am..." with πŸ‘πŸ» 03:13:07 Shan Pretheshan: Reacted to "Hey y’all! I’m Ale, ..." with ❀️ 03:13:09 Shan Pretheshan: Reacted to "I’m sorry, I’m going..." with πŸ‘ 03:13:16 Valentina Moldovan - STS Roundtable: Reacted to "Monica Velarde. I ..." with 🌻 03:13:32 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "Monica Velarde. I ..." with πŸ‘πŸ» 03:14:03 Mariana Vargas - Houston: Helo everyone, Mariana Vargas - System-Psychodynamic Organizational Consultant, founder InnerWorks Consulting, working with leaders and organizations, also entrepreneurs. Houston, Tx. 03:14:12 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "Helo everyone, Mar..." with πŸ‘ 03:15:19 Mariana Vargas - Houston: Reacted to "Hey y’all! I’m Ale, ..." with ❀️ 03:15:58 Mariana Vargas - Houston: Reacted to "Monica Velarde. I am..." with ❀️ 03:15:59 Joe: Reacted to "Helo everyone, Maria..." with πŸ‘πŸ» 03:16:13 Henrietta Hale: Hi Im Heni - lovely to read everyone’s backgrounds. As a movement and body based creative researcher I’m exploring how we think of movement and relational practice to collapse the traditional boundaries between human and machine 03:16:25 Valentina Moldovan - STS Roundtable: Reacted to "Marcia Murphy, cal..." with ❀️ 03:17:22 Alessandro Dolci (Rome - Italy): Ale, musician from Rome :) 03:17:42 Valentina Moldovan - STS Roundtable: Reacted to "Hi Im Heni - lovel..." with ❀️ 03:17:53 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "Ale, musician from..." with πŸ‘ 03:18:16 Resul Dagdanov - UTS: Hi all. I am Resul from UTS. I work on trust in HRT 03:18:22 Lucy McGrath: Reacted to "Hi Im Heni - lovely to read everyone’s backgrounds. As a movement and body based creative researcher I’m exploring how we think of movement and relational practice to collapse the traditional boundaries between human and machine" with πŸ‘‹ 03:18:25 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "Hi all. I am Resul..." with πŸ‘ 03:18:34 bianca indipendente: Reacted to "Helo everyone, Maria..." with πŸ˜‰ 03:18:39 bianca indipendente: Reacted to "Hi Im Heni - lovely ..." with ❀️ 03:19:17 Mariana Vargas - Houston: Reacted to "Hello Everyone. I am..." with πŸ‘ 03:19:47 Valentina Moldovan - STS Roundtable: Reacted to "Hi all. I am Resul..." with ❀️ 03:20:13 Joe: Reacted to "Ale, musician from R..." with 🎼 03:20:32 petersorenson: Reacted to "STS_Principles_handout_SHORT.pdf" with πŸ‘πŸΌ 03:20:33 Joe: Reacted to "Hi all. I am Resul f..." with πŸ‘πŸ» 03:20:53 bianca indipendente: Hi Everyone, Bianca I am in the boiling London, organisation consultant and founder of Elevate4, the first platform for collective sense making. 03:21:45 Beatrice Malatesta: Hi, I'm Beatrice from Politecnico di Milano. I'm a PhD student in the field of AI in project management. 03:22:03 Valentina Moldovan - STS Roundtable: Reacted to "Hi, I'm Beatrice f..." with ❀️ 03:22:15 stewartk: how are the distributed ? 03:22:33 Carly Riehle: link to reading materials are above in this chat. 03:23:04 petersorenson: Eli Berniker, a long time STS RT member has recently edited his β€œSome Principles of Sociotechnical Systems Analysis and Design” - It is an excellent resource - thoughtfully crafted. [Full message cannot be displayed on this version] 03:23:19 Valentina Moldovan - STS Roundtable: sending the short guide again: 03:23:23 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "Eli Berniker, a lo..." with ❀️ 03:23:26 Alessandro Dolci (Rome - Italy): Reacted to "Eli Berniker, a long..." with πŸ™πŸ» 03:23:28 Ruth Overton: Reacted to "Eli Berniker, a lo..." with πŸ‘ 03:23:31 Helen Hughes: Reacted to "Eli Berniker, a long..." with πŸ‘ 03:23:31 ken Nishikawa: Reacted to "Eli Berniker, a long..." with πŸ‘ 03:23:42 Aurelia Roman: Reacted to "Eli Berniker, a long..." with πŸ‘ 03:25:15 Wilts Alexander: Reacted to "Eli Berniker, a long..." with πŸ‘ 03:26:05 Mariana Vargas - Houston: Reacted to "Hi Everyone, Bianca ..." with ❀️ 03:28:49 Valentina Moldovan - STS Roundtable: 44% Collaborative Sensemaking 36% Thurstworthiness 29% Unpredictablity Management 03:30:24 ken Nishikawa: [Full message cannot be displayed on this version] 03:30:58 Aurelia Roman: Reacted to "[Full message cannot..." with πŸ‘ 03:32:28 Carly Riehle: We will email all content after the session. 03:32:46 Linda: Reacted to "We will email all content after the session." with πŸ™ 03:33:36 Aurelia Roman: Reacted to "We will email all co..." with πŸ™ 03:34:24 Valentina Moldovan - STS Roundtable: Reacted to "We will email all ..." with πŸ’― 03:37:39 bertpainter: Bert Painter: independent consulting social scientist and film maker with a focus for 50+ years on helping workers, engineers and employers design β€œgood jobs’ with new technologies (computer-integrated manufacturing, digitalization, and now AI). This has been a continuously rewarding and emerging process of discovery of which today’s topic is an important new context. 03:37:44 Valentina Moldovan - STS Roundtable: Reacted to "Bert Painter: inde..." with ❀️ 03:38:12 Annja Neumann: One-word chat waterfall – human-centred AI: real, or reassuring?” 03:38:16 Carly Riehle: Thank you, Pete! You seemed to echo Helen's last statement concerning how we communicate the principles is of critical consideration. 03:38:37 Valentina Moldovan - STS Roundtable: Reacted to "One-word chat wate..." with ❀️ 03:39:03 Alessandro Dolci (Rome - Italy): Replying to "One-word chat waterf..." Real, and reassuring :) 03:39:06 Joe: Both 03:39:31 Carly Riehle: As a project manager, I can agree with you and others, that the principles are quite heady. I love Shankar's approach to review the principles at the beginning of a project collaboratively with stakeholders so a shared language can be constructed that will focus and drive the project. 03:39:42 Valentina Moldovan - STS Roundtable: Reacted to "As a project manag..." with ❀️ 03:39:51 Shan Pretheshan: Reacted to "As a project manager..." with ❀️ 03:40:04 petersorenson: Reacted to "As a project manager..." with ❀️ 03:40:19 Solveig Beyza Narli Evenstad: Reacted to "[Full message cannot..." with πŸ‘ 03:40:34 Solveig Beyza Narli Evenstad: Replying to "[Full message cannot..." Thanks Ken :) 03:40:40 Lubna Mohammed Kutty: Warmer summer/ Increasing heat waves - posing more HSE issues 03:41:03 Joe: Reacted to "Warmer summer/ Incre..." with πŸ₯΅ 03:41:27 petersorenson: @Annja Neumann You and your team are doing an excellent job of crafting and doing this online workshop! Thank you! 03:41:36 Valentina Moldovan - STS Roundtable: Reacted to "@Annja Neumann You..." with ❀️ 03:41:39 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "@Annja Neumann You..." with ❀️ 03:41:41 Jennie McShannon: Reacted to "@Annja Neumann You a..." with ❀️ 03:41:50 Lubna Mohammed Kutty: Replying to "Warmer summer/ Increasing heat waves - posing more HSE issues" On construction sites 03:42:46 ken Nishikawa: Here is a curiosity in the definition of "Robot." From the historical perspective, in Japan, most believe that the robot is not a machine, but it seems to be a "human machine." Astro bBoy in 1963, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astro_Boy 03:43:21 Solveig Beyza Narli Evenstad: Reacted to "Here is a curiosity ..." with πŸ‘ 03:43:26 Valentina Moldovan - STS Roundtable: Reacted to "Here is a curiosit..." with πŸ‘ 03:44:09 petersorenson: Reacted to "Here is a curiosity ..." with πŸ‘πŸΌ 03:44:24 Valentina Moldovan - STS Roundtable: Room 1: Henrietta Hale Room 2: Francis Irving Room 3: Helen Hughes Room 4: Shankar Sankaran Room 5: Jennie McShannon 03:44:48 Wilts Alexander: I agree with Francis. We should be designing systems where humans are the loop, not that humans are in the loop. It's about the culture and trust necessary to form the operating system from a social-technical design perspective. 03:45:01 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "I agree with Franc..." with ❀️ 03:45:06 MΓ³nica Velarde Lazarte: I will leave now. Congratulations for this exciting work. Look forward to engage further with you! 03:45:13 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "I will leave now. ..." with ❀️ 03:45:15 Joe: Reacted to "I will leave now. Co..." with πŸ‘πŸ» 03:46:30 Annja Neumann: Thank you Monica 03:48:21 Previn: Unfortunately I have to leave - thanks everyone for a stimulating conversation 03:49:26 Joe: Reacted to "Unfortunately I have..." with πŸ‘πŸ» 03:50:06 Wendy Gallibu-Wang: Oh no, we stopped trusting the tech lol 03:50:24 Joe: Reacted to "Oh no, we stopped tr..." with πŸ˜„ 03:54:50 Helen Hughes: Steven, you were in the middle of saying something profound! Would love to know the final part of your point! :-) 03:55:25 Francis Irving: @Mariana Vargas - Houston (following up breakout question you asked) I think maybe companies often should wait. I watched companies adopt AI coding 2.5 years ago, and it was completely valueless - only end of last year did it become viable. So anyone who skipped the first generation of LLM coding tools has gained a lot if they only adopted this year. This pattern will repeat - hard to predict. Also often companies have other software development practices they do badly, that they could use management energy to fix, and will be limiting factors on AI adoption anyway. 03:55:27 petersorenson: Reacted to "Steven, you were in ..." with πŸ‘πŸΌ 03:55:33 Alessandro Dolci (Rome - Italy): Reacted to "I will leave now. Co..." with πŸ‘‹πŸ» 03:55:37 Emma Cook: Reacted to "Steven, you were i..." with πŸ‘ 03:55:59 Ale SΓ‘nchez: Reacted to "@Mariana Vargas - Ho..." with πŸ’‘ 03:56:16 Jennie McShannon: Reacted to "@Mariana Vargas - Ho..." with πŸ‘Œ 03:56:21 Mariana Vargas - Houston: Reacted to "@Mariana Vargas - Ho..." with ❀️ 04:00:11 Francis Irving: Multiple can reduce error rates - but it can also create confusion of contradictory decisions. Indeed one AI run multiple times with exact same input can give contradictory responses. So I agree we should use multiple ones, but even when we do, it doesn’t let us give the AI responsibility as they aren’t structurally able to have that yet. 04:00:47 Wilts Alexander: Reacted to "Multiple can reduce ..." with πŸ‘πŸΎ 04:01:09 Carly Riehle: If you are enjoying this conversation, please consider participating in our other programming: Join Us - STS Roundtable 04:01:09 petersorenson: Reacted to "Multiple can reduce ..." with πŸ‘πŸΌ 04:01:41 ken Nishikawa: Here is a strange but popular hotel where uses Robot in Japan as frontline workers. https://travel.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/1103357.html 04:01:48 Valentina Moldovan - STS Roundtable: Reacted to "If you are enjoyin..." with ❀️ 04:01:55 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "Here is a strange ..." with πŸ‘ 04:01:58 Aurelia Roman: Reacted to "If you are enjoying ..." with ❀️ 04:01:59 Valentina Moldovan - STS Roundtable: Reacted to "Here is a strange ..." with πŸ‘ 04:05:34 Solveig Beyza Narli Evenstad: Reacted to "Here is a strange bu..." with πŸ‘ 04:06:24 Joe: Should we or should we not anthropomorphize AI/Machine Intelligence? I don't find AI to be open to feedback. 04:09:12 Wilts Alexander: I have seen AI Agents as Orchestration Agents used to orchestrate a whole system of work, change the mindset of the team to think differently (innovation) about what the system is(what is being designed), and set boundaries for STS design 04:09:28 bianca indipendente: Reacted to "I have seen AI Agent..." with πŸ‘ 04:09:30 Ashok Jambur: i hate to leave at this stage but i have to go. Pls carry on the interesting discussion 04:09:30 Joe: Reacted to "I have seen AI Agent..." with πŸ‘πŸ» 04:09:39 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "i hate to leave at..." with πŸ‘ 04:09:50 Valentina Moldovan - STS Roundtable: Reacted to "i hate to leave at..." with πŸ‘ 04:10:04 Francis Irving: Replying to "Should we or should ..." I think we should not - it’s a category error, as most of the consequences of thinking something is sentient/human are things like giving it responsibility, or getting it to learn, and those things just aren’t the same however clever language models are. 04:10:32 Francis Irving: Reacted to "I have seen AI Agents as Orchestration Agents used to orchestrate a whole system of work, change the mindset of the team to think differently (innovation) about what the system is(what is being designed), and set boundaries for STS design" with πŸ’ͺ 04:10:40 Francis Irving: Reacted to "i hate to leave at this stage but i have to go. Pls carry on the interesting discussion" with πŸ‘‹ 04:10:57 Alessandro Dolci (Rome - Italy): Reacted to "i hate to leave at t..." with πŸ‘‹πŸ» 04:11:01 ken Nishikawa: If we see feedback between AI or robots and us as a feedback loop, like T-group relationships, can AI or Robots transform through that loop? I do not think so. 04:11:22 Solveig Beyza Narli Evenstad: I do research in soc... [Full message cannot be displayed on this version] 04:12:11 Alessandro Dolci (Rome - Italy): Reacted to "I do research in soc..." with πŸ™πŸ» 04:12:12 Solveig Beyza Narli Evenstad: Anybody attending the social robotics conference next week in London? 04:12:32 Francis Irving: Replying to "If we see feedback b..." Agree - current generation of LLMs are bad at learning from feedback. They need humans in their improvement loop. There are lots of attempts to get self-improvement - we’ll know when/if it happens (unknown when/if it will). 04:13:08 Solveig Beyza Narli Evenstad: Here is my presentat... [Full message cannot be displayed on this version] 04:13:18 bianca indipendente: Replying to "Anybody attending th..." No But sounds very interesting, can you share the link? 04:13:48 Aurelia Roman: Reacted to "Here is my presentat..." with πŸ‘ 04:13:53 Lucy McGrath: some really helpful baseline AI questions that I've found really helpful to find space to think how AI and humans interrelate https://common-questions.metarelational.tech/ 04:13:55 Jennie McShannon: Reacted to "Here is my presentat..." with πŸ‘ 04:13:59 Solveig Beyza Narli Evenstad: Replying to "Anybody attending th..." https://icsr2026.uk/ 04:14:47 Francis Irving: @stewartk just to say I agree that who controls the technology is a massive issue in Europe right now. Another whole big topic! 04:14:48 Carly Riehle: Replying to "Here is my present..." @Solvieg, Perhaps your paper is a topic for another MWWD session. Please see that Valentina receives it. Thank you for your willingness to share. 04:15:00 Valentina Moldovan - STS Roundtable: Reacted to "@stewartk just to ..." with πŸ’― 04:15:04 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "some really helpfu..." with πŸ‘ 04:15:19 Wilts Alexander: Estimators in the construction business, especially for customized homes or buildings, are very threatened by large language models and AI. Data is not shared as a norm with the builders, when the architect and suppliers. There's a high degree of mistrust of using AI, even for basic tasks like automating a spreadsheet. 04:16:04 bianca indipendente: Some thoughts on human in the loop I wrote today https://open.substack.com/pub/elevate4/p/the-loop-and-what-it-hides?r=4dohr9&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web 04:16:04 Wilts Alexander: Sorry, I have to run. Great session 04:16:14 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "Some thoughts on h..." with πŸ‘ 04:16:17 Valentina Moldovan - STS Roundtable: Reacted to "Some thoughts on h..." with ❀️ 04:16:28 Joe: Reacted to "If we see feedback b..." with πŸ‘πŸ» 04:17:06 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "Sorry, I have to r..." with πŸ‘ 04:17:10 petersorenson: β€œCognitive Surrender” is an emerging problem with using AI. We humans are tending to give up our agency and critical thinking stewardship to AI. Caution is very important? How are we behaving? [Full message cannot be displayed on this version] 04:18:02 petersorenson: Reacted to "some really helpful ..." with πŸ‘πŸΌ 04:18:27 Solveig Beyza Narli Evenstad: Reacted to "@Solvieg, Perhaps yo..." with πŸ‘ 04:18:49 Solveig Beyza Narli Evenstad: Reacted to "β€œCognitive Surrender..." with πŸ‘ 04:19:00 Mariana Vargas - Houston: Thank you @Francis Irving. That makes sense, and it leaves me wondering whether smaller organizations really benefit from waiting in the same way β€” or whether they usually adopt only what they can immediately understand and use. Suddenly we all need to be expert on socio technical =) 04:21:06 petersorenson: @stewartk Your cautions about using US Based AI are really important! Thank you for adding those comments! 04:21:44 Deborah Forster: Ai literacy 04:21:50 David Sibley: Thanks Annja and team. 04:21:59 petersorenson: Reacted to "Ai literacy" with ❀️ 04:22:06 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "Thanks Annja and t..." with ❀️ 04:22:11 Alessandro Dolci (Rome - Italy): Thank you πŸ™πŸ» 04:22:17 Aurelia Roman: I will try to integrate more principles when compiling best practices in cancer diagnosis. Some are based on studies/ using AI for timely diagnosis. 04:22:19 bianca indipendente: Thank you 04:22:20 Katrina Sitar: Thank you! 04:22:21 Lucy McGrath: I think it's helpful to see that it doesn't quite make sense yet and we have to continue to learn to bear the discomfort of this.... and perhaps show each other and ourselves grace 04:22:38 petersorenson: Reacted to "I think it's helpful..." with ❀️ 04:22:56 petersorenson: Y’all are great humans! Thank you one and all!! 04:22:58 Aurelia Roman: Thank you! 04:23:49 Aurelia Roman: Thank you for this session! lots to think about! 04:23:50 Valentina Moldovan - STS Roundtable: Reacted to "Y’all are great h..." with ❀️ 04:23:53 Ruth Overton: thank you! 04:23:57 Lubna Mohammed Kutty: Thank you great session 04:24:36 David Clements: Thanks all - much food for thought :-) 04:24:45 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "Thanks all - much ..." with ❀️ 04:24:47 Francis Irving: Reacted to "Thank you @Francis Irving. That makes sense, and it leaves me wondering whether smaller organizations really benefit from waiting in the same way β€” or whether they usually adopt only what they can immediately understand and use. Suddenly we all need to be expert on socio technical =)" with πŸ‘ 04:24:49 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "Thank you great se..." with ❀️ 04:24:54 Carly Riehle: Reacted to "Thank you for this..." with ❀️ 04:25:14 Francis Irving: Reacted to "I think it's helpful to see that it doesn't quite make sense yet and we have to continue to learn to bear the discomfort of this.... and perhaps show each other and ourselves grace" with ❀️ 04:25:22 stewartk: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0305750X2500004X 04:25:38 Marcia Murphy: Thank you everyone, very thought-provoking. 04:26:24 Francis Irving: Reacted to "https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0305750X2500004X" with πŸ™ 04:27:16 Valentina Moldovan - STS Roundtable: Thank you so much for your presence here today! If you'd like to join our upcoming Making Work Worth Doing, please check out the website links below. Also, including the STS COnference in Berlin thsis autumn :) https://stsroundtable.com/upcoming/making-work-worth-doing-copy/Β  https://stsroundtable.com/upcoming/making-work-worth-doing/Β  https://www.iit-berlin.de/sociotechnical-systems-roundtable/ 04:27:17 Frank: Thanks! Very nive insights to work on starting tomorrow! 04:27:41 Wendy Gallibu-Wang: My take away from the principles and applying to day to day for me: What do we want the technology to do, defining what’s the use case and scenarios Future proof it so people don’t misuse it for other agendas Systems design - needs to have guardrails on how that can be picked up and actioned How to avoid lazy teams blaming tech 04:27:47 Wendy Gallibu-Wang: Thank you everyone! 04:28:00 Shankar Sankaran: Thank you all / Learnt a lot from teh discussions Shankar 04:28:46 Valentina Moldovan - STS Roundtable: Desigjning a Sociotechnical Future https://stsroundtable.com/upcoming/making-work-worth-doing-copy/Β  The Case of Women in Engineering: https://stsroundtable.com/upcoming/making-work-worth-doing/ 04:29:07 Valentina Moldovan - STS Roundtable: CONFERENCE IN BERLIN https://www.iit-berlin.de/sociotechnical-systems-roundtable/ 04:29:07 Aurelia Roman: Reacted to "Desigjning a Sociote..." with πŸ‘